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R1: Dear Christi, You can put a bullnose on almost any rock type, including Dakota Mahogany. But are you sure that you want to use this granite for kitchen tops! And why tiles rather than slab??? Have a good look at the quality of the surface at the right angle for reflections - there are a number of minerals in this granite which tend to pit. Dr. Hans, Australia
Q 2323: We are planning a granite kitchen island and are concerned about finding a slab that will be large enough, since we don't want to have a seam. Right now, the island is 8'x5' (at its widest point). I was hoping that we could make it slightly longer but were told that we wouldn't find a slab longer than 8'. Is that true? Is even 8x5 too big to give a us reasonable choice among slabs? Sabrina, July 28,R3: We just remodeled our kitchen and had granite installed on countertops and an island that is . We purchased slabs that were 5' X 10'. Our island was done with one solid piece. There should be a supplier who carries large slabs, but it also depends on the particular pattern you choose. Some patterns only come in certain size slabs. Good luck. Carolyn, USA
R1: Dear Sabrina, It is partly true that 8 x 5 is getting close to the upper limits of many commercial granite slabs. However, in a well-stocked slab yard with slabs that have been gang-sawn you should find some granite slabs that are slightly longer (9ft) and up to 6 ft high. There are a number of considerations here that you should be aware of. When granite blocks of that size are quarried there are serious weight limitations in lifting machinery at the quarry, lifting machinery at the processing plant, and for transport. A block of that size can approach 16 - 20 tons depending on its composition (and width). There are also limitations as to the length and height of blocks for some processing plants. Having said that find a granite that you like, the quarry, and ask them for details of their block sizes and for processors who might have the right equipment to cut blocks of longer length. Some of the granite blocks that I quarry to order are up to 3.5m long but then only one processor has the saw that can process it. I was recently asked to quarry an obelisk 10 meters long with a base of 1.5m. No problem, but the lifting and processing logistics were too much. Dr. Hans, Australia
Q 2318: We have been interested in St. Cecilia (light) for our kitchen counters, butR1:
Dear Stephanie: When I say borderline I mean "my" borderline! Many say that I
am my own worst customer! St. Cecilia, if treated with the right sealer in the
right way is going to be an enjoyable choice.
Why do I define it borderline?
Well, because, unfortunately, even the best impregnator / sealers are just as
good as the operator who applies them, and St. Cecilia is one of those stone that
needs a caring and knowledgeable professional to do the job right. Let me give
an example: At a certain point in time one of my best dealers discontinued buying
the sealer that I make. I asked him if there were any problems and he candidly
told me that he had a
problem selling it because the back label of the can recommended to wait
for at least 24 hours between application (St. Cecilia would need between
3 to 4 applications), and the contractors buying the product didn't like
the idea to go back to the same place for two or three days in a row to
seal a piece of stone! So, my dealer decided to carry another product from
the competition. Can that particular product be used differently? Of course
not: Every single stone sealer under the sun has to be applied with an interval
of at least 24 hours in between applications, but the manufacturer
of that particular product was clearly a better salesman that I, and wrote
on the directions that the following applications could be done after only
half an hour. And THAT, even if it's a lie, would fit the schedules of the
contractors better than my product! Now, do you understand what borderline
means in my book? Maurizio, USA
R1:
Dear Mary: True geological granite is either white, or light gray (the Italian
Bianco Sardo -- a.k.a. "Luna Pearl", or Grigio Sardo), or pinkish (The Spanish
Rosa Porrino). There are a few domestic ones, out of New England, still in the
whitish and light gray hue. Its porosity is medium (twice as much as the average
marble) and it can be easily kept under control with a good-quality impregnator
sealer. Many other light colored "granites" are in fact quite absorbent and not
suitable -- at least in my book -- in a kitchen environment.
To find out if a "granite" is very porous at the yard, walk through it holding
a cup of water in your hands. When you see a stone that grabs you, go there
and rub some of the water on its surface. If you see that it gets dark right
away ... away you go! Maurizio, USA
R1:
Dear Lenore: GO FOR IT!! Blue Pearl -- an Anorthosite from Norway -- is
a stone that for all the intents and purposes of a kitchen countertop is
much better than geological granite, not to mention its unmatchable beauty.
It's actually one of the best material available for the purpose: quite
dense and needs no sealing. Not
now, not ever. Just enjoy it!! Maurizio,
USA
R1:
Dear Kathryn: Forget about the "you MAY be sorry" thing. You WILL be sorry, period,
end of story, no debate and shut up!! :-)
There's no such a thing like a better
black "granite". And as far as the finger marks, etc. thing goes, no sealer can
prevent those. Impregnator/sealers for stone (which are not recommendable with
black "granite" to begin with) only help preventing inbedded stains, not surface
stains. That's the very reason why hone-finished black "granite" will drive you
insane!
The only possibility to minimize the problem is to have a color enhancer
applied to the countertop. This will turn the surface of the stone from
gray to permanently black, but still with no shine. Maurizio, USA
R1:
Dear Christy: While I never heard of this "Emser Antique White Travertine" if
it is travertine and it's finished with a matt finish (honed), then you shouldn't
worry too much about it's maintenance requirement. Of the three statements proffered
to you by your contractor, only one is correct, namely that travertine scratches
relatively easy (not any more, however, than all marbles and compact limestone).
In fact, it's not very porous; contrary to popular misconception the scientific
truth is that it's a stone which is just as dense as most compact limestone
(which in turn are denser than marble). As far as the idea that it breaks easy
is concerned, it shouldn't happen if they executed the installation properly.
If the installation is not well executed, even ceramic or granite will break.
The application of the color enhancer did not hurt your stone, but won't
do much good to it in terms of protection. The right intelligence about
its daily maintenance will go a much longer way than the application of
a color enhancer. But it doesn't seem to me like they gave you much of that,
did they! Maurizio, USA
R1:
Dear Deborah: I am one of the fiercest advocates against the use of marble in
a kitchen as a material for a countertop. However, there's nothing wrong with
using marble in a kitchen.
So, now, what's the story here?! ...Well, there's
nothing wrong for as long as one accepts the idea that their White Carrara marble
(or any other marble, for that matter), will end up looking like the one of your
grandpa's bakery, that is, all stained, scratched, worn down and beat up!
It's not the case with the vast majority of the American and North European
consumers, to whom even the smallest blemish represents a major issue. In
consideration of the preponderant general scenario, marble is certainly
not the right choice for a kitchen, but if you accept it for what it is
and -- most importantly -- for what it will get to look over years of intensive
use, then there's no law that says the you can't use it. Of course, you'll
want it with a hone finish (not polished, that is) like your grandpa's.
To minimize staining you will also want to consider having it sealed with
a good-quality impregnator / sealer for stone. Hone-finished marble is more
absorbent that its polished counterpart. Maurizio, USA
R1: Dear Stuart: As you probably know, Ceasarstone (Which to the best of my knowledge is not available in the US) is a so-called "engineered stone," which is a fancy name for manmade (94% granite chips mixed with 6% epoxy resin, if memory serves me right). Wearability wise is comparable to "granite." It does not need to be sealed, but, due to the presence of the resin, I don't think that's as heat-resistent as "granite." I personally like "granite" better, providing that one can choose the right one. Maurizio, USA
A 1957: I'm in the process of having a new home built. I absolutely love travertine and have already picked it out and am having it installed in the master bath counter tops, shower, vanity, and floor. I've got my heart set on having it installed in my entry way, hall way, living room, dining room, and kitchen (all downstairs except for family room). To me, the look of real stone just doesn't compare to porcelin or tile. There are a lot of salespeople out there who are advising me to not put travertine on my kitchen floor. On the other hand, I have a friend who has had it for over 5 years and says it's been easy to maintain and that I should go for the real stone. She thinks that a lot of salespeople scare people away from real stone just because they'll make a better profit on selling something else. I just don't want to make a mistake that I'll have to live with for years to come. What input do you have? Should I be afraid of a travertine kitchen floor? Brenda, May 23,R1: Dear Brenda: Either your friend never cooks, or she has a low-hone-finished travertine in her kitchen floor. There are no other options. If you like it polished, then the salespeople are 100% right and your friend 100% wrong. By the way, they make more money when they sell stone, than when they sell tiles! Maurizio, USA
A 1946: I am in the process of trying to decide on kitchen countertops and wonder what your thoughts are on SileStone? It seems granite does have a few drawbacks like staining and such, that quartz does not. The configuration of the kitchen will allow 3 separate pieces of countertop, all under 5', so seams are not an issue. Any comments? Renee, Arlington, VA, May 21,R1: Dear Renee: . Go read the issue about selecting a good fabrication facility (and stone) and see if it can help you decide to buy natural stone over engineered one. Maurizio, USA
A 1933: We are having Indian Premium Black HONED countertops installed in our kitchen next week. The fabricators just brought us a large sample to test. They put sealer on one part and enhanced sealer on another. We are finding that anything with oil is staining the granite. After reading your excellent site we are wondering if we should just have them apply the color enhancer and no sealer at all. Will we lose the grey color that we like? However we are willing to do that as long as we still have the mat look we want. . Susan, May 20.R1:
Dear Susan: I'm afraid that you
didn't read our "excellent site" long and hard enough. If
you did, you
would have never considered black granite with a hone finish!! If you can get
out of the contract, do so! If you can't, apply the color enhancer and no sealer.
Yes, it will become black, but at least it will be almost manageable, maintenance
wise. You can't have both ways! Maurizio, USA
R1: Dear Esther: If I were you I'd move out of Vancouver, BC and go somewhere else where you will make sure that nobody carries that stone. Maurizio, USA
A 1880: We're looking at using granite in a new kitchen. Some questions, in a green granite are there any that are less absorbent than others? Some sites provide the absorbency percentage for a granite - what's the rule of thumb for low medium and high absorbency . what about density? I have 4 samples and did the lemon test leaving lemon juice on them overnight I couldn't detect any marks. I also left some olive oil on them, on one it soaked in - lemon okay oil no - would this be a good candidate for a counter? Paul, May 15.R1: The question regarding suitability, is that with the addition of an impregnator that product would be fine for a kitchen. Regarding your other questions, there is not a general rule that can be applied except that when represented as a % any granite that is .12 or less is low absorbency, .12-.23 medium and .23-.34 on the upper edge of absorbency that could be managed with properly applied and maintained impregnator. Most stones that are suitable for a kitchen application are going to contain felsic and mafic minerals. Steven, USA
A 1842:A client who wants a honed slab stone for kitchen counters that looks like limestone and is non porous. Anything like this out there in a natural stone?, Karen, May 14.R2:
Dear Karen: The answer could be a variety of stones, but the ones that comes to
my mind would be hone-finished beige marble (Crema Marfil, Botticino), or Travertine
(contrary to popular misconception, travertine is a quite dense stone), still
with a hone-finish. The application of a good-quality stone impregnator is advisable
to help eliminate the (though naturally limited) absorbency factor. In most cases
1 application of a stone impregnator for non-porous stones will do plenty.
Keep in mind, however, that the typical hone-finish delivered by the factories
and / or fabrication facilities is a "medium" hone, which means that there's still
a certain degree of shine. This finish will get damaged by acidic spills (lemonade,
orange juice, vinegar, tomato sauce, salad dressing, etc., through a loooong list!)
or by the use of wrong cleaning agents. Such surface damages will appear in the
form of duller spot that look like "water stains", or "water rings". Of course,
they are neither. They are marks of corrosion left behind by the acids, and no
sealer could help preventing them, because they are related exclusively to the
chemical makeup of the stone, not it's porosity. A low-hone-finish (totally flat,
with no sheen whatever) is therefore recommended. The damages will still occur,
but wouldn't be visible. To obtain that, either the fabricator knows how to do
it with the honing elements available at their shop, or the surface could be acid
washed with a mild solution of water and muratic acid (available at any hardware
store). Maurizio, USA
A 1884: Please tell me more about travertine in the kitchen as a counter--is there any useful substitute?? I love the look, Guthire, May 15.
R2: Dear Guthire: You have to define "useful substitute" for me! As all calcite-based stones, travertine is not suitable as a material for a kitchen countertop (unless, of course, nobody uses the kitchen!). But I've seen a few happy campers with a low-hone-finished travertine (flat finish, with no sheen whatever) on their kitchen counters. It would need to be sealedR1: Dear Guthire, Why not look at a fine-grained beige-coloured granite instead - something like Brisbane Beige. It should be available in parts of the US. Dr. Hans, Australia
A 1882: Hi- I was reading many of the Q/A that were posted and it seems that granite is the best counter top option. I am purchasing Muslin colored stained Kraftmaid maple cabinets (light ivory stain) and was looking for a taupy beige granite. Many of the ones I have seen are so dotty or busy- is there any that are neutral and don't have black in them? (I guess I was liking the look of marble and trying to find a granite that was similar) Also, are there any other solid counter tops options that are more affordable than granite- (I haven't been able to find one- either mica at the low end or granite being the best solution for the high end) Some people are telling me that granite is too trendy and not to spend the $$$. Help! Darlene, May 15.R1:
Dear Darlene: As far as the trendy thing is concerned, to the best of my knowledge
"granite" has been trendy since the Ancient Romans, that is since mankind
learned how to quarry it. I believe it's safe to say that it's going to
be trendy for at least another 2,500 years!! Maurizio, USA
A 1816: Hi- I am reading the posted questions on problems with stains on granite kitchen countertops. Is there one type or color most resistant or better choice than other? I am debating whether or not it is worth the expense to install granite vs formica. Darlene, May 14.
R1: There are many stone counters that won't have that problem. Typically, they will be either dark or resined. Use the absorption test listed here to help you educate yourself. You can always write back when you found a couple. Steven, USAA 1805: We asked our builder to put granite counter top in our new house after looking at the sample in design center. Later we found out the granite that builder installed in the kitchen has totally different color and pattern, nothing looks like the sample. Although we understand there may have some variations, we still feel very disappointed. And we are not sure how to talk to the builder? Would you please give us some suggestions? Jun, May 14.
R1: I suggest you say to him exactly what you said to us. Since we have no idea what color or pattern you have it would difficult to help you more. Steven, USAA 1802:At what temperature will a granite countertop crack, Benusa, May 14.
R2: It depends on many variables. Many times it is not just heat but rapid cooling that will let granite crack. Other variables are veins, fissures, stone type, and how long heat was applied. Steven, USAR1: Dear Benusa: It much depends from the thickness of the granite. In the case of a 2cm slab it will probably take a few thousands degree Farenheit. If it is "granite" instead (which is approximately 98% of the instances), it's anybody guess. I still wouldn't worry about it. Maurizio, USA
A 1795: I'm having Honed Absolute Granite countertops installed in my Kitchen. Is this material suitable for a countertop? I have been reading mixed reviews of its use. I do a fair amount of cooking and am concerned about how they will appear after a years worth of use. I often hear of water spots and oil stains. I clean up after every use but obviously I use a wet cloth to clean with. Should I change my order before it is to late? Ben De, May 14.R2:
Recognize that black
when honed is gray. Now every time it gets wet or oil hits it it will be black
there. Does it hurt the stone? NO. Does it drive consumers batty? It appears so.
Steven, USA
A 1786: After reading advice on your website, I can see that I have to choose the 'granite' for my kitchen countertops carefully. Some quarries publish the ASTM test results, but what values of absorption by weight, hardness and flexural strength would be considered 'excellent', 'good', 'satisfactory' or 'poor' for kitchen countertop? Neil May 14.
R1: Neil, Don't make it so complicated. Find the stone you like. Check the absorbency by using the lemon juice test or drop some oil on it. You can always email us when you found one you like to ask us our opinion. Last time I checked we seem to be an opinionated bunch that likes to express it. Steven, USAA 1760: I would like to have countertops in my new kitchen like the countertops of high school chemistry days. I understand that to be honed slate. What can I expect in terms of care (the problems seem to be in NOT using impregnators, waxes, etc.) and how does honed slate compare in performance and cost (installed) to other popular solid-surface materials such as granite, marble, Corian and soapstone? Patty, April 25.
R2: Patty, Don't let them put you off slate for a countertop! Buckingham Virginia Slate makes some of the most beautiful counters I have ever seen. As for maintenance, not much really. Seal it. If the " Honed" appearance starts to look a little dull, try a small amount of linseed oil rubbed lightly into the surface. Enjoy! Mikki, USA.R1: Well the slate requires more maintenance. I remember that our chemistry labs actually had soapstone. I find this material easier to have than slate. Cost wise I think a New England slate is comparable in cost to soapstone. The problem is probably more correctly identified as slate is softer than other natural stones used in a kitchen setting. Steven, USA
A 1759: I am now thoroughly confused. Where is Verde Tropical from and is it a good choice for a kitchen counter? Can you knead bread on this type of counter (or any other granite counter) or will the fats in the dough discolor the counter? Upon reading this web site you can either conclude that granite is practically impervious or that only a person interested in spending their life maintaining the granite would actually choose it! I have old fashioned formica right now but at least if I use a hot plate I can clean up stains. Is granite, specifically Verde Tropical, a practical solution for a person who actually cooks in her kitchen? Stephanie, April 25.R2: There are certainly drawbacks to any type of countertop material but granite is definitely the most durable product of them all. While it is true that oils have an impact on granite I would not call it a discoloration. Oils in general, whether from cooking or from your own skin will darken the stone. This can be minimized, but not eliminated, with the use of a good penetrating sealer. Lynn, USA
R1: I am not sure as to the designation. However I think that the product you are referring to is from Brazil. What you should conclude from my previous answers is that there is not one correct answer in regards to stone. Different stones have different requirements as do different consumers. I also think that if you incorporate the lemon juice test to assess absorption you will have your answer. I encourage you and everyone else who asks to be proactive in the selection of countertops. The reason I can't specifically answer your question is that different products are called different things in different places. Steven, USAA 1739: Hello, we are remodeling our kitchen and we are a bit confused to what materials to use for the countertop. We LOVE the look of granite yet we are not sure about the care - staining, scratching, etc. Can you advise what is the best for looks, care, and resale? Mary, April 20.
R2: A good low absorbtion granite would fit the requirement nicely. Steven, USAR1: The looks of granite are not the only selling point. It is the most durable of all the products available. Staining and scratching should be of minor concern. The lighter granites will darken when exposed to oils from hands or cooking but generally this is over a period of time. This can be minimized by using a good penetrating sealer. Scratching should not be a concern in that the only material harder than granite is diamonds. You can, in fact, dull your knife by cutting on a granite countertop. If there is a disadvantage to using granite it is that it is VERY hard. Dropping a glass or dish will guarantee breakage. There are also design limitations because fabrication requires specialized tools and makes features in solid surface impossible to reproduce in granite. Lynn, USA
A 1738: What type of granite is right for a kitchen countertop? Joanne, April 20.R1: The one you like the best and fits your lifestyle. Steven, USA
A 1722: We are considering replacing our formica countertops in the kitchen with either granite or quartz. We are concerned with water sealing and staining. The contractor who would do the granite mentioned impregnating it with a fluorocarbon (new?) v/s silicon sealing. Can you provide information on the sealing/impregnation of granite? Also thoughts on granite v/s quartz? (We have heard the quartz does not have the water/staining issues associated with granite.) Nickie, April 17.R1: Some stones require impregnators others don't. Select what appeals to you then use the absorption test listed on this website to test. Steven, USA
A 1718: Though this site is full of innovative ways to either clean or find solution to issues regarding a variety of countertop alternatives, seems to me that some of these problems might be avoided up front by creating 'inset' wood or tile areas into those countertop work areas that will come under heavy 'artillery' or heavy 'fire'. Why not set into those granite, corian or marble countertops, some nice, inexpensive-to- replace, tile squares adjacent to an oven/range for use as trivets for those hot pots and dishes? OR some nice butcher block pieces to be inset into the 'cutting' area of ones counter to avoid scratching or 'surface abuse' upon certain areas of ones kitchen countertops?R1: The
wear and tear you associate with normal use would also affect the products you
describe. The key to the equation is matching expectations with specific products.
When it comes to counters, consumers, or stone there is not a "one size fits all"
policy that will succeed. Rather the kitchen should be tailored specifically to
the person or family using it.
Steven, USA
R1: The linear measure is the running 12" divided unit typically used to derive front edge and sink pricing. Steven, USA
A 1709: What would be the problems with using limestone as a counter top? April 14.R4: Definitely
not a good choice for counter top, mainly for two reasons :-
1) Not possible
to have stone polished enough/not hard enough.
2) Gets dirty very quickly
and difficult to clean because surface not smooth. a) Gets stained easily and
when liquids spilt on it, they are absorbed very easily. A.Vaziri.
R2: It depends on where the counter is. In a kitchen, it would deteriorate and stain. In a bath or as a display counter it, could be fine. Steven, USA
R1: Limestone is a soft stone and if the surface is not processed with special epoxy and polish it will not be feasible to use as counter top because it can get inside every liquid and will have stains on the surface, besides its polish will be affected by any acidic material. It is better to use granite. Behiye, Turkey.A 1702: I have friends with granite countertops that stain and mar easily, and know others with counters that seem pretty impervious. I want the least porous toughest granite I can get, and don't care a whole lot about color. Advice please. Adrienne, April 14.
R1: Dear Adrienne, go back to your friends who had the seemingly impervious granite and ask them what it is and what they think of its performance. Odds on it would be a dark granite - dark grey, black or dark red. Blacks tend to be the softest of the three, dark red the hardest. It is difficult to scratch the dark red varieties and there are quite a few around. Check them out on Findstone. (Dr. Hans), Australia
A 1655: I am also curious which products you recommend to seal a honed black granite countertop, since we are trying to decide between black absolute polished versus honed for our kitchen. Polished is pretty but I'm afraid it is too mirror-like for me. However, I've heard various things about honed: some say it's porous and troublesome and must be sealed a lot, and others say it's even easier to care for than the polished granite. I don't know whom to believe anymore.R1: Dear Yvonne: I hope is not too late! Do NOT, I repeat, do NOT even think about honed black granite!! It's not porous, but troublesome aplenty it is!! Polished black "granite" -- if you can live with the shine -- is very, very, VERY enjoyable, and easy to maintain if you use the right products! Maurizio, USA
A 1646: I'm ready for kitchen countertops and question is the functionality of graniteR3: Dear Dan: I personally like the real thing better (but then again, I'm a hard-core stone guy), but I can fully appreciate your concerns about maintenance issues, mostly -- but not limited to -- related to the degree of absorbency of the different "granites." Maurizio, USA
R2: By talking to a fabricator, specifically one that handles both materials, you will find the answer you need. The answer is simple, once the research is done correctly. Rob, USAR1: I am a granite fabricator and owner of a small shop. With all that said, the bottom line is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that there are pros and cons for all surfaces. What I recommend to my clients is to take large pieces of the surfaces they are contemplating and simply put them in their home and use and abuse at will. One of the surfaces will eventually draw the homeowners to it. Garner, USA.
A 1645: We are looking into kitchen counter options for our house. We do not like the highly polished look of most granite that we see. Would you recommend honed granite or some other surface? If you suggest granite, is there a type we should look for that would be more durable. Michelle, April 4.R1: Dear Michelle: If you don't like the polished look of granite, stay away from it. Honed granite is NOT OK! Maurizio, USA
A 1598: I am in the process of finding an installer for granite counter tops in my kitchen. Instead of asking questions after installing, what should I be looking for from the supplier as far as factory applied sealers, maintenance, density of stone, any particular colors that are better against staining/wear and tear? Also I see your name in recommendations as a supplier of sealers, can you give me more info on your business? Eric, March 27.R1: Dear Eric: Are you talking to me? Maurizio, USA
A 1597: Hi I learnt a lot from your column about granite, but one thing I wanted to know is that - is it easy to clean granite or Corian counter tops which have been stained with turmeric or oil? Which is better in this respect - granite or Corian? I have to decide soon since I am having a home built and the builder is giving Corian as the standard and granite as the upgrade. Indira, March 26.R1: The absorption of Corian is not bad. Its ability to be stained is high though. The answer for both is it depends on the color you choose. Try the absorption (lemon juice test to test the granite). As a natural stone site we will have a bias in that direction however. Steven, USA
A 1596: We're looking into a countertop for an island. Approximately 50 sq. ft. granite, we were told would cost us about $1400.00 to $1500.00 installed. We can't spend this much money. Is there something you can recommend? We would like one solid surface that's very durable. Do you know anything about Caesar Stone? Durability, upkeep? . Pam, March 26.R1: Dear Pam: Ceasar stone is a very enjoyable material, but for all I know is not much cheaper than natural granite (at least not here in NE of the US). Maurizio, USA
A 1585: Wow - what a lot of info this site provides. Commentary on the different granites leads me to double check on Madura Gold. As a kitchen counter top will it be tough and appropriate. Second question - I have a lovely soapstone sink in a workroom - what do I oil it with to keep its color? Jackie, March 24. ReplyR1: Dear Jackie: As far as your "granite" counter top goes, For your soapstone top you need to use mineral oil. Maurizio, USA
A 1574: I am looking at Jupurana Gold granite slabs for a kitchen countertop. Can any one comment on its porosity and general suitability for this usage vs other "granites". John. March 21.R2: Dear John: Yes, I can. Despite what some salesman will try to say to you, DON'T. Maurizio, USA
R1: Yes, It is more porous and less suitable for active kitchens where spills are not cleaned as soon as they happen. In order to find the stone that suits you assess your lifestyle and then select colors. Expect to do maintenance. Accept the materials characteristics as fundamentals that won't change. Get care and maintenance guidelines when you purchase the countertops. Steven, USAA 1548: We are looking at granite
slabs for our kitchen and are becoming increasingly frustrated by the process.
We don't seem to be able to get a straight answer from anyone. It is almost as
if we have encountered some secret society! Our original granite choice (Blue
Lorenzo, Blue Volga and who knows how many other names it goes by-) was estimated
at $11,000 by the fabricator working with our kitchen designer. It was suggested
we choose a less expensive piece of granite, yet when I asked for a cost breakdown
of the estimate, I was told that the fabricators did not break down the cost of
the materials from the cost of the actual fabrication. Furthermore, when I went
to several of the wholesale showrooms to look for "less expensive" pieces of granite,
I was told they could not give out granite prices and that we should a
fabricator.
Are fabrication costs linked to the specific granite slab?
Do more expensive granite slabs cost more to fabricate? Can you recommend alternative
granites to Blue Volga that are less expensive?
Am I unrealistic in asking for a cost breakdown? I know the granite itself
is not that pricey-that between landing on the dock and reaching my countertop
there are a number of mark ups-I just want to be sure that the prices I
am paying are legitimate and appropriate. Kathey, March 17,
R4: Kathey: You have picked a beautiful but very expensive granite for your countertops. As a fabricator, I can tell you that the labor prices do not vary by material, it is the material cost that varies. Granites that I buy from China are a fraction of the cost of those that come from Russia or Norway. It is not customary to provide a customer with a breakdown of their estimate as this provides them the opportunity to shop this around with other fabricators. As long as you are comparing apples to apples when seeking bids, then you should get good estimates. I must admit that $11,000 sounds high but that could well be because you are in a market that does not have enough fabricators to keep them pricing competitively. There are many granites that may please you and perhaps you should pick several and get prices on all. One that you may like that is less expensive is Emerald Pearl. Another option for less expensive material is to opt for 2cm instead of 3cm.thickness It is generally about 30% cheaper. Good luck. Lynn, USA
R3: Dear Kathey: Welcome to the "secret society" of the stone industry!R2: From what I understand prices of granite depend greatly on shipping. ex. India, Brazil, Canada, etc. Marmar, USA.
R1: Kathey, You are frustrated. It is not a matter of multiple mark ups. It is a matter of Volga Blue has a lot of pits and fractures. It is sometimes difficult to fabricate. In the type of blue you have selected there are not any less expensive alternatives. Steven, USAA 1531: I just found on the internet a company which claims that Jerusalem stone is LESS porous than limestone and GOOD for countertops??!! Also other internet references led me to believe this. Are there different types? Fisher. March 13.
R2: Yes there are different types & strengths of limestone, HOWEVER, you should obtain ASTM testing results to see what modulus of rupture, flex & compressive strengths & most importantly - Absorption rates are.R1: Dear Fisher: I'm glad to see you were skeptical. It's a lie. You do NOT want Jerusalem stone -- or any other limestone, for that matter -- as a countertop natural for your kitchen. Porosity is not the issue, the natural chemical makeup of all limestones and marbles (Calcite) is, and there's no product on the market (sealers of what-have-you) that can overcome the problem related to calcite-based stones (sensitivity to pH active substances.) Maurizio, USA
A 1518: Hi! I have read many of the comments and enjoy the knowledge. I am looking for kitchen countertops. Like the look of Pietra del Cardosa, along with honed black granite but as you said, am afraid of stains and problems being that I have kids. I also love limestone but know that is not at all practical. I really hate the look of granite- the high polish as well as the multitude of design in the stone - I want something rustic and simple. Any thoughts on this? Was wondering where in New Jersey you operate, Maurizio! Many Madeline, March 11,R3: Madeline:
We are a fabricator that has begun importing granite with a "new" finish we are
calling Venezian. Instead of the slabs being processed with a polished finish
they acquire a slight texture and have a matte finish. The texture resembles a
rock that has been underwater for some time and the softer aspects have gradually
washed away. It has a rather smooth feel. As for maintenance, it requires regular
sealing as most granites do. If you are working with a fabricator now, talk with
them about finding a source for this finish.
Lynn,
USA
R1: Try Cypress Wood Counter tops - My mother had them and absolutely loved them they were rustic yet beautiful and very functional - Polyurethane works wonders. Skip the stone and go for the wood. I am telling you this even though we install granite counter tops. Rebecca, USA.
A 1513: What is the preferred thickness to use for granite kitchen countertops? Marjorie, March 11,R3: Marjorie: Rebecca is correct, it is whatever you prefer. We have a fabrication shop which use 2cm almost exclusively. The market, in general, has gone to 3cm but I believe that is driven by designers and fabricators unwilling to work with the thinner granite slabs. 2cm material is about 30% cheaper if that has any bearing in the matter. Under mount sinks look great and, in fact, I have this in my kitchen and love it. Lynn, USA
R2: Dear Marjorie: I personally prefer, and, consequently, always encourage my customers to choose, the 2 cm. with laminated edge. Maurizio, USAR1: The preferred thickness for granite counter tops is whatever you prefer. Any of the thickness should be very adequate. Rebecca, USA
Maurizio, If you don't mind answering this question again, why do you prefer 2 cm? Because of the less weight? Does it look as good with under mount sinks? Carolyn, March 22.A 1500: We just purchased a builder's
model house which has honed granite countertops. The builder told us the
honed finish makes fingerprints less visible. I would actually prefer a more glossy
and vivid appearance (the way the countertops look when they are wet), but do
appreciate the fingerprint aspect since we have four children. I do not know what
kind of granite this is, but it is overall gunmetal gray in appearance, with dark
taupe and black grains.
My questions: - What are the pros and cons of a honed
finish?
-The builder did not mention anything about sealing. Would a
sealer be able to make the surface a bit shinier? Or a polish?
- If the surface
is not sealed, will it gradually get duller and duller?
- Does granite normally
require periodic resurfacing? For countertops, typically how often?
Thanks for any help you can give. Pat, March 7, Reply
R2: Dear Pat: If it is Charcoal Gray like it sounds, you don't need to have it sealed. The stone absorbs just about nothing. The finish that you have now will never change and it WILL represent a maintenance nightmare (despite what the builder tells you). All types of surface stains (that no sealer would eliminate), including finger prints will be very obvious and a constant eyesore. I would try to have a color enhancer applied to it (after testing). Maurizio, USA
R1: I would keep this stone on a regular sealing schedule. You make opt to seal with a color enhancing sealer but be sure to test the stone first. I would not put anything else on it. Your stone sounds like it might be Charcoal Gray Honed from Cold Springs. Is it a tight grain and very consistent? I have sold about 8 honed jobs in the last couple of years. LkCmbr, USAThanks for responding. Are you saying that the honed finish is what will cause the maintenance nightmare? If so, is it possible to have someone come in and refinish the granite to a more glossy surface (as our builder suggested)? Pat, Reply
A 1493: Help! I am trying to decide on granite countertops offered by the builder of my new home. The problem is that I cannot inspect the specific slab that will be installed in my home. Of course this means no lemon juice test on the slab. I have narrowed down the choices to Giallo Veneziano, Verde Lavres, Ubatuba and Dakota Mahogany. Which, if any, would be the safest bet without being able to view the slab. Are any prone to natural fissures, surface pitting or other issues that I should be concerned with? The only reason I am considering this is that there are a lot of other things I could do with a new house and the $8000+ that it would cost put in the countertops after the fact. Douglas, March 4.R4: If it is a granite, you will have no problem with orange juice are acids, only oil and fat. If the counter top is by placement not the right one you can always say you don't like this and send it back before placement. Tiledoc,
R3: Dear Douglas: Personally I am not crazy about "inspecting the slab", but if I can't have a few pieces of scrap from whomever is going to get my 8K, I would go somewhere else, as simple as that. You don't have to stick with the builder, nor take their abuse. Just tell them in non uncertain terms that if you can't get a few pieces of scrap you'll go somewhere else. That should do it, al right!R2: Trust me, you will not need to do the lemon juice test on granite. There is nothing that will damage the finish of polished granite. The finish is achieved with diamond impregnated polishing pads since diamonds are the only thing harder than granite. Red wine, citrus acid, etc will have no effect on granite. Marble is another matter entirely. All of the colors you mentioned are perfectly suited for kitchen use. Did you know that the only product which harbors less bacteria is stainless steel? So much for the solid surface industry claiming that it is porous and breeds bacteria. As for you question regarding pits or pores...we purchase epoxy or resin treated UbaTuba for cosmetic reasons only. There are usually hairline fissures in this material and the treatment will disguise that. Structurally, this material is more than adequate. Also, I do not know what area of the country you are in but you might want to do some more shopping for granite. $8,000 sounds high. Good luck. Lynn, USA
Dear Lynn: You're absolutely right, there's no need of the "lemon Juice test" on granite. But if one wants to take into consideration that tiny 98% of all the stones that are trades as granite but granite are not, then, maybe ... Ciao, Maurizio, USAR1: Insist
upon viewing the slab. I was in the same situation with the builder of our home.
Find out who they are purchasing the granite through & call them. I insisted
upon knowing who they were using as a fabricator. (I found out I paid for the
fab, the installer, the sales
guy to the builder, & the builder!!!!!)
I could have cut out two middlemen - the sales guy & the builder!!! But, then
I wanted the builders warranty (not just for counters, but cabinets, etc) Anyway,
I called the builder's rep & insisted upon viewing slabs & he tried to
dissuade me (we get slabs from Atlanta, Virginia, they are not locally available,
blah, blah) I told him I'd make the drive to wherever I needed to go (we paid
$7000 for these counters, I didn't care about an over night trip!!) I live in
the Raleigh area. As it turns out, the fabricator they used was an hour away.
(Funny, huh) The slab was delivered there. I drove up, had a long talk with the
fab. Saw some inconsistencies on one of the slabs (Giallo Ornamental), & the
fab suggested using that area for the sink cut out. He was very knowledgeable
& I felt comfortable using these people. Also, be aware that Giallo Veneziano
varies in coloring (this is one of the stones I started out with, Venetian Gold
the other) some can be very peachy,
others golden. VIEW your slab!! My friend
is stuck with a very gray Venetian Gold (did not view) - she hates it!! Another
upside, I ended up going with a granite outside the builder's stock color choices!
When I expressed concerns with the builders rep over color variations in the stones
I mentioned earlier, he sent someone out with samples (I wanted a creamier not
peachy background stone). I looked at all kinds of interesting stones. (not likely
to be in most people's houses) Another alternative - I could have saved around
$1500 to $2000 going around the builder. Have the builder put formica counters
in your kitchen (ask them NOT to secure tops!!! Just lay them on) Have your granite
person template after cabinets are in, & schedule installation for day after
closing or shortly thereafter. If you go out on your own, you will have far more
selection. Take measurements of counters, go to big box stores & get quotes
on materials you like, this will give you an idea of what you will spend on your
own. quotes through www.findstone.com Check
reps thoroughly.
Also, I ed the person who showed us the samples &
they came back & did a travertine kitchen backsplash (almost half the cost
of going through thebuilder!) I am also having the upstairs bathroom done with
Verde Marinache granite tops (looks live a river bed - flowing water & pebbles)
Point is, I could have never gotten this through builder.
Your builder
wants your business - this is a very profitable area for them - INSIST, INSIST,
INSIST!!!!! Wear them down or go elsewhere, knowing what I know now, I would NEVER
not view my slab! Dan, USA,
R1:
Faye, The resolution will lie with you. The description you gave about soapstone
is accurate. The comparison to granite is not apples to apples though.
1) Most granites are polished and available in many colors. Soapstone start
light gray and eventually oxidizes to a dark gray/green. You use mineral
oil to help even out the oxidation. It is a matte finish also.
2) Most granites will not easily scratch. therefore they would require professional
tools and professional abilities to remove them.
3) Cost- most soapstone countertops are more expensive than granite countertops.
Hope this helped. Steven,
USA,
R1: Michael, Don't be an idiot. You did a test and it performed poorly. NO! don't use it. How was that for unbiased? Steven, USA,
A 1458: I am currently looking into white concrete or white corian because I was told that white limestone or white marble are too porous and will stain easily and need to be sealed multiple times a year. Ben, Feb 20.R1: Well, I am not ing to dissuade you. I believe that you would be better suited using an engineered quartz product like Caesarstone over the Corian. The only thing I want to correct is the idea that marble is porous. It is not. It is just a calcium carbonate product that is soft and acid reactive. But then so is concrete and Corian. A light colored granite that does not need to be sealed multiple times per year is Bianco Sardo or Bianco Romano. They both need to be impregnated properly when 1st installed and checked based on how heavily used your kitchen is. The impregnation process is easy enough that I call it simple. Steven, USA,
A 1446: How about using tumble marble as a black splash in a kitchen? Or what would be good against a granite counter top? Pat, Feb 16,R1: Pat, The answer is whatever strikes your fancy. If you like tumbled marble then use it. Many other stones, ceramics, porcelains, and metals could be used also. You could also use wood bead board. Steven, USA,
A 1445: I have been told that Virginia Black granite has a tendency to have large (fist - sized) areas of solid black color in large slabs (i.e., slabs for countertops). Is this true? And how can we tell before we order this product? We actually fell in love with the look of limestone for countertops (Lagos Azul), but were told by numerous sources that this is impossible to keep from staining, and virtually destroying. Is this true? We are still looking for a grayish limestone looking substitution, and liked a honed Virginia Black sample we saw. Do you have any other ideas to help us? Betsy, USA, Feb 16.R1: Well, I agree that limestone is too soft for most kitchens. I also get a fair amount of consumer complaints about honed black. Why don't you try soapstone? It is a good material and it only requires mineral oil every so often to help its darkening process. Steven, USA,
We looked at soapstone, but it is simply much more black than we were interested in. (Once oiled, it is very black.) Our interest is more towards a lighter gray, which is what the honed Jet Mist (or Virginia) Black gives the appearance of.A 1437: Why do customers find seams acceptable on some solid surface countertops, when they have a fit if the granite tops have the slightest seam? We fabricate our countertops to where our seams are minimal and slightly seen, but what is so hard to understand that granite cannot be fabricated throughout the kitchen with no seams? Feb 12.
R4: I find black and dark green seams the hardest to hide.R3:
As a customer who had a beautiful granite countertop surface installed in
our kitchen this past summer, I would recommend our fabricator's way of
handling the seam issue. First, he encouraged us to visit his shop for our
very first "serious" discussion, just to acquaint us with the materials
and overall process of natural stone surface preparation. We got a tour
of his slabs on hand and were shown the stone workers using the grinding
machines in back. Then, when it came time to choose our material, we were
given a list of several wholesale warehouses to visit, to view and select
our slabs from.
Any consumer that gets to see granite slabs first-hand immediately will
understand that seams are going to be necessary. We collaborated with our
fabricator on how best to plan the placement of seams to fit the ideal layout
of our pattern and countertop runs. At the end of the day, we knew exactly
what to expect and had no problem whatsoever with the end result.
Above all, the emphasis must be that granite is a NATURAL product, cut in
manageable blocks from mountainsides halfway around the world (Brazil in
our case) - we felt grateful just to get some of it into our kitchen, no
matter how the seams were placed! Cheers, Steve, USA,
R1: I don't understand the question. Would you please elaborate on what information you want. Generally, all granite and solid surface material come in sheets or slabs of specific sizes, therefore, all solid surface countertops have seams. Some materials that are one solid color can be adequately face sanded with a matching resin to render the seams invisible. Steven, USA
A 1433: What type of granite to use for a kitchen countertop (solid dark in color) any particular name I should be asking for? Jeff. Feb 12.R1: Usually all dark colored "granites" are a good choice. Just choose the one you like the best, take home a piece of scrap of it, and run my little "lemon juice test." Maurizio,
A 1425: We are building a house in Maine, and planning to use honed black granite (absolute black) for a 3' X 6' kitchen island, and "Coffee Brown" granite tiles for the front foyer. I noticed that Maurizio seems to indicate that honed black granite would be trouble.- Why?? Also- any comments on the "Coffee Brown" for floors? Al. Feb 10.R1:
Dear Al: I'm not the one who's saying that honed black granite is trouble.
All the people who had it installed in their kitchens -- bar none -- are saying
that, and I'm just reporting the facts on the forums I participate in.
Honed black granite is gray, but everything humid that touches it -- even slightly
humid, such as your fingertips -- will make it appear black. If it's just water,
when dry it will leave some mineral deposit on the stone's surface that you will
have to clean; if it's something with some oil in it (including your fingertips),
the darker spots will remain, unless you clean them right away and all the time.
Bottom line: While the same granite in its polished form will still get soiled
but won't show much (only from a low angle, and when the light hits the spots
in a certain way), therefore it will never represent an eyesore, and you can plan
to clean it, say, once a day, in its honed form it will show every single little
spot as soon as it occurs, in a dramatic way, from any angle and under any light.
I hope you can picture it in your mind, because, believe you me, it is yucky!!
The application of a penetrating sealer (impregnator) would be totally useless,
because, first -- due to the inherent density of the stone -- only an insignificant
amount will go in, and, second and most importantly, an impregnator helps prevent
deep staining (which are not an issue with black granite), not certainly surface
soiling.
The only solution to minimize the problem would be the application
of a stone color enhancer, which is basically a mineral oil that will "stain"
the stone uniformly and almost permanently. This would mean to turn the countertop
black -- though still honed.
The question is: what were you looking
for, a honed finish regardless of the color, or a gray honed color? You just can't
have it both ways. Maurizio,
R1: "Granite" is 100% natural stone. Engineered stone is 94% natural stone chips and 6% epoxy resin. Corian is plastic. Maurizio,
A 1397: I was wondering if you could suggest a type of flooring for the kitchen that would not be as porous as limestone or travertine. I am a lover of both but was told this would not be a wise decision. Unfortunately, after seeing the two above I could not stand the look of ceramic. As I'm sure you would agree they do look artificial. I am hoping that I am just not familiar with some other type of material. Are all natural materials the same story? Feb 5.R3: while limestone is typically very absorbent, travertine is not. Absorbency, however, is not the real problem with calcite-based stones: the chemical make-up is. They are all very sensitive to acidic and unbalanced Alkaline substances, therefore they will get damaged, on , by such agents, which are typically plentiful in a kitchen.
R2: Dear Sir, The problems faced by Kitchen floors on the over all use of the kitchen and varies from county/culture as the cooking habits and kitchen use is different. Kitchen is not a large area where specific stone can be ordered and installed, therefore normally the selection is based on the best locally available material. As your mail do not give the particulars of your country/address it would be difficult to give you specific options on choice of stone. Please revert back with your address. Arun, India,
R1: Crab Orchard Flagstone with a silicon sealant can make a beautiful kitchen flooring. Randy, USA,A 1372: I am so confused on this granite issue. We are remodeling our kitchen and I was sure that we would use granite until our kitchen designer advised us against it because we have children. She said that if peanut butter, cheese, etc. was ever left on the granite it would have a permanent grease stain. Is this so? After reading some of the other questions it looked like stains could be taken out but it looked like it could be time consuming. Are there better colors to get or types of stone to get to avoid this maintenance or is granite not kid friendly. Rob. Jan 25.
R1: Rob, I believe that the focus should be on a low absorption stone. Many of them are dark colors. These do not need impregnators. Please plan on buying stone specific cleaners. It is easier to clean a stone with this type of cleaner and, if you choose a stone that needs to be impregnated, these cleaners won't harm the impregnator. My personal experience is that I have small children and find it easier to clean because things don't stick to the shiny, slick surface as readily. Steven, USAA 1362: Hi, I
have fallen in love with Walnut Cobblestone!!! I have several questions
for you. First, what classification of stone is cobblestone...during my research
to find info about this stone, I have noticed that the usual categories for stone
are granite, marble, travertine, sandstone, slate, etc. I am not having much luck
finding ANY info about this stone - please help me understand the origin and make
up of this beautiful stone!!! Secondly, I REALLY want to use it for my kitchen
countertop. I have been given many
different opinions - pretty split down
the middle about doing it (or not). I am a cleaner as I go and understand it will
not be a smooth surface. If sealed properly, I have been told that it should perform
beautifully. I know I will have to seal it periodically to prevent absorption
of stains. Please give me the pros and cons about using it for this application.
Thank you so much...your site is very insightful!! Stefanie, Jan 23,
R1: Cobblestone generally refers to a rounded stone used for paving. Walnut is a color associated many times with a travertine. If this is the case (I am not saying it is) then you do not want it for a kitchen countertop. I don't think the definition I supplied would come in slabs. Travertine does not make a good countertop. It is soft and acid reactive but not overly absorptive. Regards Steven, USA,
A 1359: In the 2001 fall issue of House Beautiful the kitchen cover story displayed this amazing kitchen countertop made of Pietra Grigio stone (similar to granite). I am interested in locating it and or finding out more about it. Jeri, Jan 22.R1:
Dear Jeri: Trust me, you are NOT interested in locating Piera Cardosa for your
kitchen countertop. Magazines have the tendency to publish anything that looks
"different" to keep stirring interest in their publication, but they
don't know the first thing about many of the things they report about, especially
when it comes to stone. Look how popular honed black granite for kitchen countertops
has become, just because pictures of it were published by several magazines. The
trail of tears left behind from the owner of such a maintenance nightmare could
solve the drought problem of the Sahara desert!!
Pietra Cardosa has
a rate of absorbency which is much higher than granite, and hardly controllable
with an impregnator-type penetrating sealer, to begin with (no matter what some
salesman will try to say to you). On top of that it's chemically unstable and
sensible to acidic spills almost as much as marble. Leave it on the pages of the
magazine, and consider yourself lucky to have inquired about it in this forum.
Maurizio, USA
R1:
Dear
Faye (is it still you, from Central Florida?):
Try my Lemon Juice Test.
Take a piece of the scrap "granite" you want to test and spill a few
drops of lemon juice onto it. If you see that under the drops of lemon it develops
very quickly dark spots, it means that it's a very absorbent stone and I would
advise you (and anybody else, for that matter) against it. If it takes, say, a
minute or so to be absorbed, then you're dealing with a degree of absorbency that's
easily manageable with the application of a good-quality impregnator-type sealer.
If it doesn't absorb at all, then you have a winner right there! Go for it, and
don't bother sealing it.
But hold your horses for an extra minute!
Now,
why lemon juice and not simply water?
Because lemon juice is highly acidic, and, if for any chance, the "granite"
you're considering is a mixed stone (with some calcite in it), it would
etch. That is, it would have a permanent dull spot where the lemon was sitting,
after you clean it up. If that's the case, you do NOT want that stone in
your kitchen. Maurizio, USA,
R3: Claire, Here is the counterpoint. I challenge any of the other panelists as to their practical, hands-on experience with Pietra de Cardoso. We are perhaps the largest importer of Cardoso in the U.S. (usually 2-3 containers per year when we can get our hands on it - it can be very difficult to acquire sometimes). Through the years we have furnished, fabricated and installed scores of kitchen countertops, custom kitchen sinks (both made from slab material and ones machined from a solid block of Cardoso with drainboards, etc.), fireplaces, etc. It is a wonderful material if you are looking for an alternative to a highly polished stone. It has a true "old world" look and feel to it. It is harder than Soapstone, softer than granite (comparable in hardness to Corian). It is more porous than most granites, less than some. We recommend using either a good quality impregnator or color enhancer (if you wish to darken it). Not only is it good enough for my customers but I have it in my own kitchen and abuse it daily (I have the resources to acquire nearly any stone I wish but I chose Cardoso for my own kitchen!) Maurizio is correct about honed black granite - we refuse to fab it any longer. It is nothing but problems because of it being near impossible to get a uniform finish. But he is wrong about Cardoso. No, it will not perform like Blue Pearl, but not everyone wants that look. Joe, USA,
R2: Hello, I happen to like Pietra Cardosa as well. I believe I have been told the product is a schist which means that it is OK. However a honed surface is difficult to live with. What I mean is this if you run your hand over a piece of polished granite it is typically smooth and your hand glides across it. If you run your hand over a honed surface you fell your hand dragging across it. This means the surface will also catch items and make it more difficult to clean than a polished surface. So you have to decide where you fit in the following scale. Do I clean things as they happen or do I wait? If you wait score 1 for a polished low absorption stone. 2. Do I buy things and expect them to stay the way I purchased them without maintaining them? If your expectations are an unchanging and relatively impervious surface score another 1 for a polished low absorption stone. I hope this helps. As with anything the answer will depend on subjective variables which include your attitude as well as the stone. Generally, Ask for a sample of the material, try to scratch it with a knife and spill things on it to see what it does. Steven, USA,R1: Dear Claire: Pietra Cardosa is just as absorbent as some "bad" "granites", plus it etches, too! That's more than plenty, believe you me!! Ciao, Maurizio, USA,
A 1342: I've been told by the manufacturer of a hard surface product that granite is easily stained and not appropriate for use in a kitchen, especially on a work counter. She said it stains easily and the stains cannot be removed. She also suggested that bacteria remains on the granite even when it's washed and is probably responsible for passing on diseases. I thought sealers eliminated the staining problem, but she claimed that once the surface is "violated", the granite's porous quality invites permanent stains, which is obviously not desirable. My husband is set to go with her recommendation, but I've had my heart set on granite for ever! Help. Deanna, Jan 17.R2:
Dear Deanna: Is there any limit to what one would say and do to sell his
or her product over the competition, especially when this competition is
so far superior?!
"Granite" is a product of nature, and, as such, does have its limitations,
but, please, let's not compare it to a piece of plastic!!
What's more,
if properly selected, the limitations of "granite" are, by all intent
and purposes of a kitchen countertop, totally immaterial.
The greatly
exaggerated venom spit out by that saleslady is not totally groundless, however.
With a precious few exceptions, no rumor stems from absolutely nothing!
The fact is that the mercantile classification of "granite" includes
a variety of (natural) stones (mostly 100% siliceous) the vast majority of which
have little to do (if anything at all!) with geological granite. For the intent
and purposes of a kitchen countertop, many of these different stones are just
as good, or even better than true granite. Many others, alas, are -- in my opinion
-- an embarrassment (to say the least) to the stone industry, and, ultimately,
the responsible of the rumor so colorfully spread by the plastic saleslady.
Most people totally neglect to expose the problems that end-users would
find if they'd go out buying "granite" and stumble upon one of
those numerous stones that are (falsely) marketed as granite, but, if you
ask me, should be banned altogether from a kitchen environment. Of course,
the salesmen from this side of the fence, will "prove" that those
stones are granite by showing you the invoice of the distributor (!), and
will assure you that every problem will be once and for all solved by the
application of the totally overrated, over promoted and over applied "miracle-in-a-bottle,"
"you-don't-need-to-know-s#@t-about-stone" that go under the label
of "Stone impregnator-sealers." (I do make one of them, and a
darn good one at that, so you can't certainly say that I'm biased!).
The fact
is that there's no substitute for professionalism and (specific) education, and
no salesman carrying around some bottle and some fancy brochure can overcome that.
So than, what to do? Does one has to give up buying "granite" because
of this possible and hardly detectable pitfall?
No. Although the stone industry is totally and shamelessly unregulated,
there are quite a few good guys out there, and it should not be so difficult
to spot them. What's more, here comes my infamous "lemon juice test"
to the rescue!!. Rely on it more than anything you can hear in your shopping
adventure, and, I promise, you will be a very "happy camper,"
proud granite countertop owner! Maurizio, USA
Thank you so very much for your informative . Also, is there a kit available for testing absorption on the various granites, or is that something I need to ask a local vendor? In addition, could you tell me why you chose not to use a sealer? Finally, another BIG THANK YOU for taking time to respond. I might get my granite countertop after all! Yeah! Deanna in Oregon, Jan 18.
Dear Deanna: Why would you want to buy a kit (which doesn't exist, at least so far) to run a test for which you only need a few drops of lemon? (Please, don't ask too loud for this kit: some salesman may hear you and put it into production right away! We have enough marketing gimmics already on the marketplace!). Ciao, Maurizio,Maurizio has already responded to you. The reason I didn't use an impregnator is #1 my wife likes to use bleach based products to clean up (I use my wonderful stone specific formulated products when I do it.) #2 The stone isn't very absorbtive.I followed my own advice and purchased a stone countertop that was low absorption with characteristics that I liked. Regards Steven
A 1338: I'm looking for information on slate as a countertop material. I've been reading in a lot of cases that it is too soft, however are there some producers that have stronger / harder slate that is acceptable. If so, who are the best and where does the slate come from? Can you purchase just slabs and for how much? How much do fabricated slabs cost? Lorie, Jan 16.R2: Dear Lorie: In my opinion slate is not a good material for kitchen countertops. Being soft it does scratch easily. I really don't know of any "harder" slate. The "best" (the "less worse" better defines it!) is the one coming from New England. At least is not absorbent. Other slates, such as those coming from India of China, are very absorbent, too! In my fabrication shop I never wanted to get involved with slate or soapstone (nor honed black granite, for that matter), so I don't know about their fabrication costs. What can I say, I'm a weird businessman: I'd rather let a customer go some where else, rather than doing something stupid for him or her, just for the sake of making a sale. Maurizio, USA,
R1: Slate slabs in general from the USA are harder and can be an acceptable countertop from the perspective of absorption and hardness. Though slate is not as hard as granite, with proper care and precautions it has served as a good countertop. From that perspective I have not been as pleased with the Chinese, Brazilian, nor Indian varieties as slab countertops. The cost depends on where you are and what the fabrication facility can procure. Many of the domestic quarries will sell fabricated pieces or slabs. The cost is in line with Soapstone 80-100 USD per sq. ft. Regards Steven, USA,A 1331: I am looking for information on soapstone countertops. I am a builder in the Portland Oregon area and have approximately 80sq ft of countertop that I would like to install soapstone on. Please provide any pertinent information. Trish, Jan 15.
R1: Trish... why soapstone for a counter top? Soapstone is probably the softest, easiest to scratch and ding stone there is, and in my opinion would be a poor stone for this type of application. Personally, I'd be looking at the granites for durability and ease of maintenance. JVC, USAI understand that soapstone is one of the softer stones but it is also my understanding that scratches & dings can be sanded out & treated with mineral oil to return them to normal appearance. Whereas with granite such problems are relatively unfixable (reason #1). Granite seems to be very trendy right now, soapstone has been used for the last century or so in New England farmhomes so surely it is durable (reason #2). Granite slabs are very expensive, I don't like the tile look because of the grout issues (sealing, staining, etc.), soapstone slabs are relatively affordable since my husband, a builder, can fabricate them (reason #3). Overall, soapstone made sense to me but I'm certainly open to expert advice, which is where you brilliant folks come in!! Thanx so much for your time - any insight is very much appreciated. Trish, January 18,
Dear Trish: If you like it so much, then buy soapstone and be happy with it. I'll stick to granite for myself, if you don't mind too much! Besides the fact that to me soapstone looks horrible (always dirty. But hey, beauty is in the eye of the beholder!), and your 3 so well organized points, the idea of having to treat a food handling area with mineral oil (it does leave a residue) every time I scratch it (which will be very often) doesn't appeal to me very much, somehow. I like my meat and vegetable to taste like meat and vegetable, not motor oil, thank you. Ciao, Maurizio, USAA 1315: I live in the US, and have a good friend in India, and I have though about purchasing Marble for my kitchen countertop direct from India. I certainly could save a lot on the raw material, however the bigger question is this: I know that much of the cost comes from the fabrication and installation. Is it possible to still have the fabrication done in India, to save cost, and is there a good model for how to do this? Josh, Jan 10.
R2: Ha, I don't think so! Don't forget about shipping, crating and import costs. You have a much larger hill to climb than you think. Use the local and best qualified company you can find. Steven, USAR1: Dear Josh: Saving money is everybody desire, but you're not going anywhere near at having a cheap kitchen countertop with your theory. How's going to template? Who's going to unload the truck? Who's going to install the darn thing? What about if there's something wrong that needs rectifying in the field; do you have the equipment and the necessary know-how to do that? What about if one of the components breaks during the trip (it does happen and more often that you may think!)? Who's going to pay for freight and custom? And ... most important of all, who's the idiot who wants marble in a kitchen?! Now, draw your own conclusions. Maurizio, USA
A 1246: Help! My wife and I are starting to put together some plans to completely remodel the dated 1953-era kitchen in our house. The only effective compromise that I have been able to craft between her desire for granite countertops and my desire for an affordable project is to use large (18" x 18") granite tiles instead of slab granite; thanks to some postings I have seen on the website. I have been given to understand that epoxy grout significantly reduces the cleaning and maintenance problems associated with conventional grout, which was her main issue with wanting granite to begin with. Since the going price for installed slab is upward of $65/sf, and the material cost for the tiles is about $8 - $10/sf, I thought I had it made, until our likely general contractor poured cold water all over the idea by asserting that the labor to install the granite tiles would offset any savings in materials. I recognize that I will need to do something at the front edge of the counter, but I think I have identified someone locally who bull nose them at fairly reasonable cost. If this is the case, what am I missing as to the source of the extra $50/sf for labor, recognizing that cutting and fitting conventional 6" or 8" ceramic tile has got to be at least as labor intensive? Is there *some* cost-effective way to make the granite tiles work on a kitchen counter? Dave Dec 9,R1: It depends on what you find reasonable. Utilizing 18" tiles requires a flat substrate and a lot of cuts on the tiles themselves. Stop for a moment and assess which cost is most important. The cost of putting the countertops in inexpensively or the total cost including longevity of the installation. If you put something in and it looks bad how long will you want to keep it in? Beyond that, It is true that you can beat a $65.00 SF installation with granite tiles but only by about $10-15 SF.Steven, USA,
A 1198: Need information on kitchen counter tops that are low maintenance and dull or honed finish in gray color. Nov 20.R1: Here is the very BEST help I can give you, and that's the only possible answer (among the sensible ones, that is): YOU DO NOT WANT ANY OF THOSE THINGS IN YOUR KITCHEN!!! Maurizio, USA,
| A 1195: Advise on cleaning and sealing a limestone kitchen counter. The materials of course has to be food compatible. Nov 19. Reply |
| R2: With limestone, you might as well adopt the attitude of 'what will be will be'. Sealers will only help 1 small part. I won't lambast you for choosing the surface. I will only say that it will deteriorate. Didn't anyone try and talk you out of this as a countertop? Steven, USA |
| R1: "WHO ON EARTH GAVE YOU THE BRILLIANT IDEA TO USE LIMESTONE AS MATERIAL FOR A KITCHEN COUNTER TOP?" Ciao and good luck ( you really need it!!) Maurizio, USA |
R1 Mike, Wow, man, you do need an expert for this one, all right! ok Ready? Get your local Yellow Pages and check the listings " Marble Natural" Here in the North East you'd be paying on or around $ 350, Now I'm so strained by this complex answer that I need a vacation ,Maurizio, USA
A 1161: We are in Rome Georgia, USA, about 60 miles outside of Atlanta. We are in the process of purchasing a granite countertop. To save on cost, our builder says to use a 2 cm thick piece of granite vs. 3 cm. Is this ok? Secondly, we like a granite called "waves' which is a lighter gray than we would like. Any recommendations on a granite that has a wavy pattern and is slightly darker? Also, where is the most economical place to purchase granite counter tops. Neal, USA, Oct 31.